Thursday, October 16, 2014

Logan and Joe

Today in class we talked about Janie's first two relationships--Logan Killicks and Joe Starks. I think it's safe to say that both men are pretty crappy husbands, but I was hesitant to side with Janie.

First off, we mentioned how Janie may just be too lofty to appreciate either of her men. However, if I were in her shoes I don't think I'd be enjoying myself either. One thing I found interesting, though, was that while they were both pretty bad, the way she handled them may have factored in to her misery. During her short marriage with Logan, once all the frill and poetry is gone, he really starts expecting her to actually help out on their farm. While Janie is taken aback at being used to shovel manure, we have to remember that this was the norm during these times. When a couple owned a farm, both were expected to contribute. She soon leaves him rather quickly for the seemingly magnificent Joe Starks. However, it soon becomes apparent that he is much worse than Logan. While Logan was just complaining about her laziness and incompetence, Joe takes their 20 years of marriage to psychologically deteriorate her. Making her conceal her hair in an insecure attempt at controlling her, he also repeatedly belittles her to the helpless mayor's wife position. Later, near the end of his life when they are both showing signs of age, he takes out his insecurities onto her, calling her old and wrinkly when he isn't much better. Additionally, his buying the mule that one time may have seemed heroic in the moment, but in the grand scheme of things he is really quite abusive.

Still, their actions alone weren't enough for me to side with Janie. One thing that particularly bothered me was how freely she moved on from both of them. Considering how traumatic she made her experiences seem, I'd assume that her parting ways with both of them would be a little more dramatic and heartfelt, like a sort of unshackling. However, she just seems to discard both of them without a care in the world, relating back to her pear tree ideals of love. When she ditches Logan, she simply gets up and walks away, not really caring about the way she leaves him. Considering that Logan wasn't as abusive as Joe turned out to be, I still have some sympathy for him. Likewise, when Joe is on death's door, she continues to verbally attack him in an attempt to stand up for all the times he's abused her. I am glad that she's finally taking charge, but quite frankly this doesn't seem like the time. I kinda wanna tell her to pick on someone her own size. When he finally dies, she feels no emotional connection or regret. She is definitely an independent woman who doesn't need a man, but her jumping around from guy to guy this easily makes it harder for me to sympathize with her troubles.

In the end, it is nice to see how happy she feels when she is single, and the power she gets from detachment. However, when she meets Tea Cake and they start having a relationship, I am worried as to how it will end. I'm also curious as to how this book will end, and why we see her returning in muddy overalls in the first chapter.

8 comments:

  1. I agree completely with you when you say that Joe's one "heroic" act wasn't even that great in comparison to everything else he did. And even though Joe did buy the horse, it was only because he heard Janie complaining to herself about how they treated the poor thing. Furthermore, Joe's abusiveness towards Janie continues onto his deathbed, as he refuses to see her and claims her food is poisoned, so I don't blame her for standing up for herself even though it's when Joe is taking his last breaths.

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  2. I honestly think Janie's only in love with the idea of being in love and having a genuine marriage. After two failed relationships I think she understands there's no need to rush into another one.

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    1. I dont know about two "failed" relationships. Sure the first one failed pretty miserably and she ran off. But Janie and Jody were married for 20 years. Thats a fairly long amount of time for a "failed" relationship if you ask me. I do agree that Janie seems to be in love with the idea of being in love, that much is very evident from the scene with the pear tree. I'm just not so sure that her relationship with Jody, despite how he treated her towards the end, can be considered a complete "failure."

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    2. Well she's only been in two relationships. It's not fair to say that she's only in love with the idea of being in love and having a genuine marriage when she was basically forced into one marriage and made a wrong choice on another.

      Today for example if someone dated two people and ended up being unhappy with both of them, we wouldn't say that person is only in love with the idea of being in love... they're only dated two people!

      Same with Janie

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  3. "I'd assume that her parting ways with both of them would be a little more dramatic and heartfelt, like a sort of unshackling"

    I'd say that her parting with Joe was very much an "unshackling". She wasn't going to let him die without telling him her mind--without turning the tables on him.

    " I am glad that she's finally taking charge, but quite frankly this doesn't seem like the time. I kinda wanna tell her to pick on someone her own size."

    I think this is the only time she had. We saw what happened in the store when she back talked him...

    Joe had power over Jonie to such an extent that she couldn't turn the tables on him until he had no power (when he was on his deathbed).

    I think that her speech to him before he dies was her way of ending that chapter of her life without regret.

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  4. Janine seems to leave as soon as "life" hits her. Once things get "real" in her relationships she immediately leaves. Granted, her marriages were terrible, but she is infatuated with finding a pear tree love. The question becomes, does she get it? Does anyone get a pear tree love?

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  5. The word "infatuation" is key. She's totally infatuated with her idea of a perfect marriage. She can't see beyond her own ideas, and that makes her incredibly annoying to me. I do think the abuse brings her around, though, and she'll stop traipsing from one relationship to the next. She's found confidence finally. Still infatuated with her own ideas, but confident.

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  6. I find it strange how so far Janie hasn't given any thought to the happiness of anyone in the novel but herself and the mule. It would make sense to me if she was just completely selfish. Like you said, she was happy to leave Logan, happy to see Jody go, she didn't even mention grieving after her grandmother's death: that's consistency. But then she cares for the mule more than anyone else seems to. Granted, she was never treated quite right by the humans in her life, but at least they sort of tried. And I suppose maybe she relates to the mule's lack of freedom, but it's still odd how her only emotional attachment before meeting Teacake was to a mule. (She also has Phoeby, but it's hard to know if she actually cares about her).

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